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mec
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:27 pm Reply with quote
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building a +1000ccm engine
my gallerie is online
http://www.humyo.com/6644029-200545107

hoping the link is ok and helps


mec
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RxmanGriff
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:41 am Reply with quote
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Mec,

Very impressive. After looking at your slide show I got a good laugh at the "rookie" label by your name. Wish I had your talent and equipment.

2 questions:

1) which Web cam did you use to get the necessary duration?
2) crank looks stock?! why after all the work and other parts you've gone with??

Please keep us posted with your progress.

Jerry
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mec
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:13 am Reply with quote
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all the performance parts came from dynoman.net. he gave me the advice to use the 315 cam. I trust this will be a ggod choice. (engine will be for street/road racing use).

crank looks stock and is stock. I did not see the need for lighten or balancing the crank (the engine will run without alternator).
it was in the early 80ies, I raced this engine in an egli-framed bike. the engine is good for approx 110hp, vibration was no issue. my first attempt with 1000ccm ended with a broken stock conrod. the second try I did with RC golden rods, no problems anymore.
today I go with the carillos. reliability will be given, but no racing engine will be good for 100.000km (week point the primary drive train and fourth gear?).

mec

p.s.: maybe I will lighten and balance the crank later. but prior I have to spezialize on this work. doing all by myself is the only way to go Smile
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Satanic Mechanic
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:17 pm Reply with quote
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Mec,

fantastic work and fantastic pictures! I see a German sticker on your lathe - any chance you are in Europe?

The 315 cam sounds like a Dynoman cam, not a Web Cam?

Please, keep up posted about your progress.

Cheers,
Axl
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mec
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:29 pm Reply with quote
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thx,

yes, europe, austria, niederösterreich, purgstall (center of the world Smile)

seems you are right on the cam.
degreeing in was more important than looking at the labels Smile

the engine is ready to start. work finished yesterday.
at first I planned to mount the engine in my friends egli (which I rebuild last year). but winter comes and so I am planning to build one semi egli chassis. 18" magnesium marvic wheels and a marzocchi fork with 310mm rotors will complete the projekt.
but it will take till januar/february/march to start the engine in the new rolling chassis.

I will load all pictures to my gallerie.

mec
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maksuttt
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:02 pm Reply with quote
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Hey, mec!
Very impressive machine shop at home (i guess?)!!! Engine looks promising!
You have a very nice tool for a valve job! I have a question about cutting depth adjustment… Ho it's done on your tool?
I have the tool which is built using the same idea (3 angle carbide cutter, Serdi cutters), but i stuck with quality of cutting because my depth adjustment does not really work... Would you mind to explain, how does it work, please? Thanks! Max
PS: I can post pictures to visualise the problem…
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mec
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:26 pm Reply with quote
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hi maksutt,

I will try to explain:
there is a long pin fixed/mounted in the valve guide. this pin is approx 4" longer then the valve guide. in/on the top of the tool there is second pin which can precisely be fixed/adjusted in the tool. when you slide the tool onto the pin in the guide, pin and pin come in contact and gives the desired stop.

see http://www.ludwig-hunger.de/_produkte/v10/v3-vds1a.html

mec
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maksuttt
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:09 pm Reply with quote
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Thanks, mec!
That sounds simple:)
Do you put pressure on the tool by hand? How's quality of cutting? Do you need to lap valves after?
Sorry to ask those questions, but I was playing with my tool for a wile without any success and it seems that I found a person who can share the experience... Thanks again! Max
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mec
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:57 pm Reply with quote
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hello,

no need to put pressure on. primarely the weight of the tool is enough. cutting the outer angle a little bit pressure is necessary.

quality is good. lapping took only a few minutes.

mec
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maksuttt
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:53 pm Reply with quote
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Thank you!
That's the inspiration which i needed:)
The knurled ring, which is between upper support and cutting head - what is the purpose? Thanks! Max
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mec
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:29 pm Reply with quote
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when you rotate the tool, the cutter rotates depending on your justage of the cutter.
when you rotate the tool fixating the knurled ring, the cutter rotates and moves continuately a 45° angle.

mec
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Deer Slayer
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:17 am Reply with quote
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I saw all the sleeves being made on the lathe, but how do you finish them off?? Do you have a DIY method, or do you send the jug out for honing once the sleeves are in?? I've got 2 lathes, and 2 mills (big and little). The only things I've done is lighten up my alternator, and make an oil pressure guage adapter. I plan on making up some new lowering blocks out of stainless when I go to put my new rear shocks on. I don't really like the way the ones that are on there are made. VERY IMPRESSIVE! Cool
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mec
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:32 pm Reply with quote
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@ deer slayer,

yes, I sent the cylinder to a profi for honing, once I had the sleeves in the block.

mec
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mec
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:12 pm Reply with quote
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hello,

after 30 minutes runtime the engine was ready for dyno testing.


dyno test was interrupted by a dead spark plug (a new NGK 9 iridium one). we had to rejet the carbs twice and went with 132 mainjets, needle one position down.
the result:


113 rear wheel HP at 8860rpm
max torque 104Nm at 7029rpm

the blue curve (for comparison) is a stock 750 K2 engine with velocity stacks and 4:1 racing exhaust.

mec
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fang
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:01 am Reply with quote
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Spectacular work. Thank you for sharing your progress. I am nearly finished with a similar project -- I damaged a piston during installation (went with the old Henry Abe 900cc pistons), but have a replacement on the way. I did not go with the fancy charging system.

Beautiful machine!
-steve
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